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November, 2003

Interview

"Corrupts are now restless"

Surya Nath Upadhyay, Chief Commissioner of the nation's all powerful anti-corruption body, Commission for the Investigation of Abuse of Authority (CIAA), shares his evaluation of the anti-corruption drive going on in the country.

How do you rate the success of the CIAA in curbing corruption? Would you mind sharing some figures, for example, about the ratio of the number of cases won and lost by CIAA in the court?

During last three year's period CIAA brought hundreds of individuals and a number of institutions tangibly involved in large-scale misappropriations and corruption into the ambit of its investigation. The final verdict in more than 80 percent of the cases the CIAA filed in the Special Court, has upheld the initial indictment of the Commission. This testifies to the mature investigation and equally result-oriented pleading in the court of law by this constitutional body.

The Special Court during the period of F/Y 2059/60, has decided 55 corruption cases and CIAA has fully won 43 cases. It has partially won 4 cases and 7 cases were lost. One case was subjected to dismissal due to the demise of the accused person.

How has the success rate improved after the 2002 revision in the CIAA law?

If you compare the facts and figures of the accomplishment of CIAA before 2002 and after 2002, you will conclude that the improvement has been far more encouraging than it was expected during the drafting of the amendments to the CIAA Act. Please refer to the table.

What is the latest situation regarding the revenue department staff arrested last year by CIAA on the charge of amassing unaccounted wealth?

A total of 23 such officers were arrested last year. Out of them cases under the charge of corruption have already been filed in the Special Court against 20 of them. Remaining three officers succeeded to show and prove their legal sources of income and were, therefore, relieved of the charges.

Recently CIAA was criticized for interrogating Piyush Bahadur Amatya, the businessman who owns the Fulbari, a resort hotel. How is your comment on these reactions?

One very important point to note here is that we have never taken any action targeting any particular party or individual. Anyone can allege any thing trying to defame somebody the way they like. But we work on the basis of the information we receive. It is not related with the question of who belongs or does not belong to a particular party or a business house. We take action exclusively on the basis of what transpires from the records.

Would you mind explaining why CIAA has not interrogated the others (e.g. existing or former officers/Board Directors of Nepal Bank Ltd. and Nepal Rastra Bank) alleged in the same case together with Amatya?

Any kind of allegation requires sufficient evidence of the involvement of the alleged person. Once such an involvement is established, no one is immune from being interrogated by CIAA. The investigation process of the mentioned case is still underway and whenever we feel the necessity, I assure you, those people will be called for the interrogation. 

What is CIAA doing about the other business houses that are alleged of financial crimes almost similar to what Amatya has been alleged of?

As I have already said, we work on the basis of the information we receive and the investigation is always based on records and evidences. CIAA initiates an action on the basis of a complaint or a reporting after the truthfulness of the complaint is assessed. In the case of Fulbari Resort let me remind you that Nepal Bank Ltd. itself investigated the case first and filed its report to us requesting actions against those who were involved in the scandal.

Persons assigned in the past with anti-corruption drives in Nepal were repeatedly complaining of threats on their personal security. How is the situation these days?

The network, nexus and collective vested interest of the corrupts is quite strong in our country where material gain is considered to be the source of social prestige. Such nexus of the corrupts has now employed a three-pronged strategy for defaming and demoralising the Commission. First, the corrupts are verbally and literally alleging the CIAA being politically biased, Second, certain people are malignantly indulged in publishing exaggerated and baseless reports and, the third, there has been well-planned efforts to file cases and make charges [against CIAA officials] on the basis of redundant and not-so-well-founded allegations.

Although such a situation exists, I personally do not feel that there is a threat on our [CIAA officials] personal security. We are honestly trying our best. Regardless of weekdays, hours and holidays, we are engaged in our work. The Public will judge us from our commitment and dedication to the cause. I, therefore, feel that there is no need to bother for our personal security. The general mass of people is behind us to render the support and security. 

Some people have been questioning the logic of the present law that defines as corruption even tips taken by the waiters of a restaurant of a hotel in which the government owns merely 10% of the equity. Is not it an unnecessary expansion of CIAA jurisdiction?

Let me clarify first that the jurisdiction of CIAA is well defined by the Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal, 1990. We inquire only into a case of corruption or improper conduct by a person holding a public position. A waiter of a hotel, may not fall under the category of a public officer, though it depends on various conditions. That is one aspect. At the same time, the wisdom of the lawmaker cannot be made a matter of debate. If we are really desirous of a corruption free society, think of the momentum gained in corruption control efforts in recent years, after the enactment of the law you have mentioned. If the results are encouraging, we should stop criticizing it for minor technicalities. After all, we are human beings. A commission composed of people with proven track record and chosen by a high-powered constitutional commission is not expected to act without regard to justice.

Despite being empowered so extensively by the present law, CIAA officers are heard complaining of inadequate powers. Would you mind explaining?

CIAA, as compared to the situation before the enactment of new anti-corruption acts, is far more empowered. At the same time, we should not forget that nothing on earth could be ideal or perfect. As you go on rigorously practicing new Acts, you may face their inadequacies. But I specifically opine that new Acts are yet to be exercised sufficiently, therefore, it is not yet time to say whether they are inadequate.

What would you name as the five most important problems in combating corruption in Nepal?

First, Protection [enjoyed by] the corrupts; lack of accountability and transparency in the service delivery system; third  social prestige for those who gain materially; fourth ineffective internal management audit in concerned agencies; and fifth lack of reward and punishment system.

What have been the major learnings from the experiences so far in combating corruption in Nepal?

In my experience, corruption cannot be rooted out from this country by CIAA efforts alone. Everyone who is in the position of responsibility in particular as well as the entire civil society in general should also strive for that. Second, in many a public institution, system is yet to evolve. For example, records and documents are not in place and sometimes they are not available at all. Third, the corrupts are stronger than the institutions working for corruption control. They have resources and means. They can buy people. Therefore, the fight against them should be launched seriously and with firm determination. Lastly, we need to evolve effective working procedures and practices in various government offices.

What are the plans for improving the work of the commission in the future? 

We have formulated our strategy and the government too has recently announced the measures to control corruption. I believe, if we develop a system-based functioning pattern, irregularities, corruption and red-tapism, can be controlled gradually, in due course. We have devised our own strategy and spelt out our objectives. We have made five-year work plan, of which one year has passed. Within remaining four years, we are putting all our efforts to reduce corruption to the level where people can feel that [corruption is reduced].

How do you rate the human resource available with CIAA?

Our new strategic plan has worked out in detail the requirement of the number of manpower to meet the workload of CIAA. It opted for a revised organizational structure and very recently HMG/N has approved the new organogram. This only guarantees the quantitative adequacy of the human resources of this organization. But on the qualitative aspect, our staffing is inadequate and almost untrained. Their investigative skill is to be enhanced. We are launching various training programs for our staff. Training the staff and enhancing the skill is a continuous process and we have begun this process.

How do you find the general perception towards CIAA?   

I request you to look into the positive side. Independent observers and international community have not only appreciated the efforts made by CIAA, but they have also extended the support in our campaign against corruption. There are a number of friendly countries and organizations that are helping us and many others are keenly interested to help us. I would like to sincerely thank them for their interest, recognition of our work and support extended to us. People's aspirations of seeing Nepal as a corruption-free country have risen tremendously. The corrupts are now restless. A message has been spread, even to the grass roots, that the culprits cannot remain scot-free. These are definitely welcome signs.

Unfortunately, there is so much of cynicism and negativism in our society that any thing that you initiate with all good intentions is thwarted from its very start by pointing out the darker side and by raising unfounded suspicions. Pointing out the possible improvements is always helpful but a criticism without a basis creates negative perception on something which is honestly started. We as a nation should have confidence and feel that there are ample opportunities to make our country a peaceful and prosperous place. When I see people enjoying to call Nepal a failed state I feel very sad. Whom should our motherland bank on if her own children are bent on destroying it? It is unfortunate. Is not it? I am an optimistic person and feel that we, and particularly those of us who claim to belong to the enlightened mass, should feel the responsibility and stop loosing our faith and confidence.


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