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INTERVIEW |
The Basic Challenge Of Our National Development Today Is The Social Exclusion Dr. Bimal Prasad Koirala
Dr. Bimal Prasad
Koirala, 48, is the chief secretary of His Majestys Government of Nepal. A career
bureaucrat with wide experience as well as a renowned poet, Dr. Koirala has done his Ph.
D. in Economic Planning. A science student who aimed to become a profession, Dr. Koirala,
however, switched to civil service in 1978 as a section officer in the Ministry of
Forestry and Soil Conservation. He worked in different ministries under different
capacities in the subsequent years. Dr. Koirala spoke to KESHAB POUDEL and SANJAYA DHAKAL
on various issues relating to Nepalese civil service. Excerpts: As a career bureaucrat at
senior-most position, how do you reflect on the set-up of Nepalese civil service? The Nepalese civil service is still in the
process of evolving. I often say that our civil service is still immature, a lot is yet to
be developed. Until and unless it is made a self-functional and self-regulatory body, we
will not be able to fulfill our development expectations. Therefore, there is a need to
orient our civil service towards a matured and stabilized bureaucracy. Nepalese bureaucracy has worked in
closed system in the past and is now working in an open system. How do you look at this? Working in open system and democratic
set-up is both challenging as well as full of opportunities. In open system, bureaucracy
is more accountable; it has to face queries from elected representatives as well as media.
So, the bureaucracy becomes more geared up and accountable. All this depends on how you
adjust. So, has it been able to cope with
the political change adequately? It has been coping well but not to the
extent desired. The bureaucracy is not reforming or evolving in adequate manner. I think,
the speed of this evolution has been slow. What could be the reasons for this
slow pace? First and foremost, there is no clear
demarcation between the bureaucracy and the politically appointed arm of the executive.
Due to lack of this demarcation, we sometime find there is a reversal of role. For
instance, the ministers, who should be more concerned with policy-making are found
engaging in administrative tasks like making transfer orders and so on and vice versa.
There is a confusion in this aspect, which has slowed down things a bit. Secondly, there
is also a lack of accountability. The bureaucracy is accountable to people indirectly.
They are accountable to people through ministers. If they are made directly accountable to
public, perhaps things would be much better. Thirdly, there are issues of transparency.
Nepalese civil service has faced open system after functioning under closed system for
long. So, transparency is still a lot less than desired. Because of these very reasons,
the system of the civil service could not set in and there are still confusion regarding
its accountability and responsibility. The government is pushing for
administrative reform roadmap where it has also included provision to provide reservation
for women, Dalit and indigenous people. Dont you think introducing reservation could
be counter-productive? The basic challenge of our national
development today is the social exclusion. Women, Dalit and indigenous people do not have
proper representation in our decision-making process. This has made our civil service
one-dimensional and dominated by only certain communities. The challenge before us,
therefore, was how to include those left-out communities and make them part of our
collective decision-making and policy-framing body. Given the structure and the function
of the civil service, we have to be clever when adopting policies like reservation so that
merit also will not be compromised while ensuring the participation of excluded
communities. What are the major functions and
responsibilities of chief secretary? The position of chief secretary is
undefined. On the surface, it appears that the chief secretary is entrusted with preparing
papers for the cabinet meeting and so on. But if you look at the division of jobs in
Office of the Prime Minister and the Council of Ministers, it is unclear at most. There is
no separate legal mandate of the chief secretary. Therefore, chief secretary limits
himself to the job of coordination and relation. After I assumed this office, I have given
more emphasis on the coordination aspect. I am also trying to include many other things,
which a chief secretary can better do, under his domain. How do you respond to the charges
of political interventions in bureaucracy? Well, until and unless the civil service
becomes autonomous and as long as there is no clear demarcation regarding its duties and
responsibilities, there will always be room for political intervention and role reversal. You were a science student. How
come you decided to pursue a career in civil service? I think it was an accident. My aim was to
be involved in the teaching profession. But since I used to be sharp in General Knowledge,
my friends used to coerce me to join the civil service. That was how I joined the civil
service. But once I joined the service, I did everything I could to make the best out of
this career. Currently, a large number of
government secretaries seems to have come from revenue/finance stream. Are there any
particular reasons for that? Not many but yes there are quite a few
secretaries who have finance background. In our administrative service, a secretary is
chosen based on certain eligibilities and experience. And then they are chosen on the
basis of merit-points they get. It so happened that at this point of time, most of those
chosen candidates earlier worked in the finance stream. But this may not be so in the days
ahead. I see that there are a lot of young eligible candidates from other streams (who are
in the list) for promotion next year. We have a system here whereupon it
is portrayed as if the civil service is inherently corrupt. Laws and regulations are also
framed based on this assumption. What do you say? Basically, the civil service is governed by
the Civil Service Act. The Act does not have provisions of rewards or points of
motivation. It only has provisions stating that if you do this, you will be penalized. So,
the whole bureaucracy has been shrouded in negativism. There is, therefore, an ardent need
to introduce positive-orientation so that the bureaucracy can better deliver development
services. There is a clear need to make amendments in the Act as well. Dont you think the state
itself has such perceptions given the necessity for each bureaucrats to file their
property report annually? Our whole structure is aimed at
controlling. It should be changed to make it promotional and facilitating kind. Our
foundation is based on negativism and cynicism. We must get out of that shell. Laws should
be framed after analyzing how the bureaucracy can positively contribute to the
countrys development. It is said that the civil service
has been unable to attract best and brightest young people. Why is it so? It is true that civil service has ceased
being the career of first choice. Even I do not tell my son to become a bureaucrat quite
unlike the practice prevalent here where a teachers son becomes teacher, a
doctors son becomes doctor and so on. There are many reasons for this. One is there
are lots of job opportunities outside the bureaucracy today. Competent people, therefore,
get attracted to lucrative job offers outside. Whereas in civil service the pay is not
good and the career prospects not clearly defined. I see the need to change syllabus also.
There is a genuine fear that bureaucracy could be filled with only the mediocre and
back-benchers leading to a fall in its quality and efficiency in the days ahead.
Therefore, there is an urgent need to change the existing incentive structures and
introduce performance-paying system. How has the frequent changes in the
bureaucracy affected the development process? It has negatively affected our development
process. Frequent changes are never good. Even transfers should not be frequent. There is
a need to frame transfer policy of predictable system. How do you find the development
process at present? Some reforms have been achieved. Because of
this we also got the PRSC project from the World Bank. But looking at the Nepals
development efforts, it is clear that our reform efforts are neither adequate nor speedily
achieved. New reforms should be initiated in a quick manner. Only then can we achieve the
goal of poverty alleviation. You are also a well-known poet.
Dont you think sometimes the sentiments of a poet interfere in your professional
work? While the works of administration are more
associated with decision-making, that of poet are more close to emotions. The
decision-making process should not be affected by your emotions. So, when I engage in
administrative errands, I leave behind the poet inside me. But, certainly emotions
sometime affect you. This year I only wrote 7 to 8 poems compared to my dense writings in
the decades of 1970s and 1980s. |
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